請問AT成績

[iamnotsure]

請問一下AT690是很不保險的成績嗎?
實在是不太想考~可是又怕不到學校門檻
在猶豫要不要重考當中.....

[vantreal]

其實我覺得這樣的分數已足夠你申請了.
只要你的essay, 工作資歷漂亮,
AT的成績就變的其次了.

加油~

[MarkHsu]

People...plz stop giving bad advice. If you don't know what you are talking about, please shut up.

--The MBA process is dynamic. It changes year to year. But generally speaking, it gets harder and harder.

--690 on the GMAT is good, but it is NOT enough for international students, especially for Asian/Greater China/Taiwanese students to get into a top 15 program. (I am excluding USC, CMU, Emory, UNC and Austin)

--Are there people with 690 who have gotten into top 15 MBA/M7 programs? Yes, most definitely 10 years ago and maybe some people got in with sub-700 scores 3-4 years ago. But within the last 5 application years (entering Fall 2003-2007) and especially the last 2 years, I'd say that the percentage is extremely low. By low I mean, less than 10% of the total admitted students from Taiwan).

--As far as I know, there was only 1 person among M7 admits for the class entering Fall 2007 w/ less than a 700. (Based on what I have seen, you have to be exceptional in another area to compensate for the sub-700 score.)

--The Essays are often a byproduct of your experiences. If you have lived a fairly normal life, a 690 is not going to do it for you.

--Don't think you are going to be the exception.

[cburger]

Regarding GMAT score, it might be better to look at the percentile instead of the raw score.

In 2006 when I took GMAT, 710 was at 93 percentile, which means my score is probably the 7th highest out of 100 people. but in 2003, 710 was at 98 percentile. If someone has the data for each year, I am pretty sure the graph shows that the avg GMAT is getting higher and higher each year. Regardless of the reason, it means getting 700 five years ago and getting 700 now have different meanings.

[vantreal]

People...plz stop giving bad advice. If you don't know what you are talking about, please shut up.

this is quite offensive. i found.

one of my friends scored less than 700 on AT but submitted an impressive resume,
the result is, she got into a great biz school.

so dun be too disappointed if you scored less than 700.

[sampraschumacher]

其實先前為了先前的托福分數已經吵過一輪了

這樣的問題實在是太沒有定論了

到處都有專家 問題是可信度有多少

即使今天是Harvard的審查委員現身說法 應該也只是代表一部分的意見

不要說不同學校 即使同一個學校 恐怕都有不同意見了

我個人是認為 依循你自己的感覺吧 你覺得夠就大膽去申請吧

任何事情都是有代價的

再考一次也許成績更好 說不定essay因為時間少了就變差了

樣樣都完美了 說不定大環境變差了 人家不要台灣學生了

變數永遠都處理不完 何不盡其在我

我的自不量力的經驗是 在我AT只有650 我就覺得我有希望上最頂尖的學校了

因為我對自己的工作經驗 essay 推薦函太有自信了

或許是夜郎自大吧 但那種感覺真的很好

結果後來忍不注繼續考 AT拿了760

卻高興不到一天 因為開始擔心托福了

最後竟然連推薦函格式也開始擔心起來

如果我是審查委員 我反而比較喜歡以前的那個我

AT的分數代表一個人多少呢 要知道能不能溝通順暢 面試比托福準得多吧

我這一份工作在應徵時 老闆一時興起 聽說我新金融商品做了上百億

找了個哥大的MBA(美國人) 來自投資銀行的顧問 跟我用英文對談了40分鐘

期間甚至針鋒相對 就一個很細微的理念辯了起來

我也不覺得我的英文不能拿來溝通啊

辯來一個工作機會? 我不就這麼幹了嗎

去年版上唯一聽到錄取哈佛的 AT680

聽版大提及 哈佛一年幹掉200個AT780者

當然板大的意思是要提醒我AT再高 托福不夠也有危險

我卻聽出另外一種意思

那就是任何分數再高 對你的申請都不是絕對的

我至今依然絕對反對M7拿分數刷人的說法

就算有 那個range一定比你我想像要寬很多



總歸一句話

如何呈現出有自信的妳 有未來的妳 才是最重要的

AT不過是其中一環罷了

[MarkHsu]

Yes! I still remember a time when 700 was 99th percentile

[vantreal]

sampraschumacher大大的意見很中肯,
加油, 版主 !!

[clark_chang]

People...plz stop giving bad advice. If you don't know what you are talking about, please shut up.

--The MBA process is dynamic. It changes year to year. But generally speaking, it gets harder and harder.

--690 on the GMAT is good, but it is NOT enough for international students, especially for Asian/Greater China/Taiwanese students to get into a top 15 program. (I am excluding USC, CMU, Emory, UNC and Austin)

--Are there people with 690 who have gotten into top 15 MBA/M7 programs? Yes, most definitely 10 years ago and maybe some people got in with sub-700 scores 3-4 years ago. But within the last 5 application years (entering Fall 2003-2007) and especially the last 2 years, I'd say that the percentage is extremely low. By low I mean, less than 10% of the total admitted students from Taiwan).

Mark大
我和Ken都是2007年班Kellogg，我們AT兩個都沒有690

[cburger]

那就是任何分數再高 對你的申請都不是絕對的

我至今依然絕對反對M7拿分數刷人的說法

就算有 那個range一定比你我想像要寬很多

AT不過是其中一環罷了

couldn't agree more.

you will definitely go to the school you want ;)

[lucyyeh]

搞不好在力爭700之際，就有不到700的人勇敢的先遞了，如果有機會讓您發現那些比較低分遞的人並未比您優秀豈不很嘔，
我想很多機會是留給勇於嘗試的人...
不過關於整體AT分數提升的現象，還有今年申請人數可能會大幅增加的趨勢，
讓我有種想法，個人的特質、企圖心與經歷是否將會是更重要的因素呢?!

[pockyqueen]

hi Mark,

quesion:
is 710 a not-good-enough score for people like me who live a normal live and dont have much work experience?

I know 710 is better than 690 but it's like on the edge.
Do we all have to score 760 to get into top 15 programs? @@[/quote]

[donahue922]

我覺得樓主應該先考量自己本身的背景跟經驗，MBA每個學校都講求多元化，
當你的背景跟經驗越特殊，690絕對夠用，把時間拿來寫好essay比較重要。

但如果本身根本沒太多體驗，又可能有很多跟自己背景相同的競爭者時，如果一
定要在今年申請，建議再把GMAT考高，增加自己的優勢。

[MarkHsu]

Believe what you guys want to believe.

I think I pre-empted the "exception" argument. I didn't say impossible, just that the chances are low, and getting lower.

Vantreal:

--Learn to take things not so personally. It will be good for you when you debate with your classmates in an MBA.

--A definition of a good biz school differs for everyone and I can most certainly respect that. I think I qualified my statement by saying top 15. If I wasn't clear, I mean top 15, US schools only.


Clark:

--Great that you and your classmate got into Kellogg w/ sub-700 scores. But subsequent to the year you got in the number of admitted students to M7s with sub-700GMATs has decreased. Are there people getting in from Taiwan with sub-700 scores? Answer is still yes, but the numbers are really, really low.

--

Look people, I am not saying that there is no chance. I think it's bad advice to say stay on the 690 and just apply and write good essays.

Given that it's August, I'd re-take and shoot higher.

If 690 is the best you can do, by all means apply.

**Just to clarify my position. I am what you call an admission consultant. Since 2003-2007, I have conservatively reviewed 1600+ MBA applications from Taiwan and worked with over 200+ MBA applicants, mostly (85%+) to top 20 programs (US & Europe).

I don't hide behind an anonymous alias and I am not an applicant competing with your for a space in next year's MBA class.

Think about it, why would I want to give bad advice?

[MarkHsu]

pockyqueen:

I believe the magic number is 700. Based on what I have seen, there is no difference between 700 and 780 for most of the M7 schools.

There are certain schools that tend to favor high scorers, if all things are equal. But, rarely are all things equal.