GWD7-17

[Austing]

GWD7-17
我想問一下Ｃ選表示，因為大部份病人被建議動手術能降低未來心藏病發的風險，所以他們決定動手術，這個Ｃ選不能解讀成，醫生其實很照顧病人，連未來可能發生的心藏病發的事都先預先告知

例如我們日常生活中，看牙齒時醫生發現蛀牙，警告我們明天要記得再回來看診不然會更嚴重，再不然就要抽神經….,這點難道不能看成醫生其實很關心病人的並沒有只想練習技術…因為到最後只補牙..沒抽神經…(ps.根據個人經驗抽神經比補牙更貴)

希望大大們能指正一下我的思路…please..

這樣就變成過度推論嚕 而且這不是題目要你weaken的重點

[dibert8]

我還是不懂E怎麼可以weaken argument
如果病人是medically indistinguishable,那不是代表醫生動手術就是為了自己了嗎?

因為無法分辨
所以醫生不可能叫不需要的病人去做手術

同理,
(D) 所有病人都被告知手術風險,... => 病人對於風險得到的資訊是一樣的 => 資訊無分別
(E) 醫生對病人的情況得到的資訊是一樣的 => 病人無分別
題目裡 "with its attendant risks and expense" => 醫生心知肚明,但仍然對所有病人施手術.
似乎 (D) 針對原題去弱化, (E) 雖然病人無分別,但我們不知道病人所收到的資訊是否無分別.
事實上, (E) 若因此對所有病人施手術, 有 strengthen 的意味.

[dibert8]

想要確認一下,題目裡面
Of patients over 65 years old who survived coronary bypass surgery—a procedure widely prescribed for people with heart disease—only 75 percent benefited from the surgery. Thus it appears that for one in four such patients, the doctors who advised them to undergo this surgery, with its attendant risks and expense, were more interested in an opportunity to practice their skills and in their fee than in helping the patient.

with its attendant risks and expense應該是修飾adviced
這樣其實D選項就只是在重複這段話囉?
這是不是就是D不好的理由呢?

醫生知道,跟病人知道是不一樣的喔!
with ... 應該是修飾 "the doctors ... this surgery"; 如果修飾 advised, 插句應該放在 them 前面,緊接著 advised ,但是這樣句意會有點怪---好像醫生在推銷這個手術並設法逃避責任 (醫生告知風險並建議病人作手術). 句意上 doctors 是站在 advise surgery 的立場, (即使) with its attendant risks ... 比較合理. (醫生已知有風險但仍然建議病人作手術)

[mandy-lo]

嗯嗯......了解.....感謝指導.....

[la-vie]

GWD7-Q17:
Of patients over 65 years old who survived coronary bypass surgery—a procedure widely prescribed for people with heart disease—only 75 percent benefited from the surgery. Thus it appears that for one in four such patients, the doctors who advised them to undergo this surgery, with its attendant risks and expense, were more interested in an opportunity to practice their skills and in their fee than in helping the patient.

Which of the following, if true, most seriously undermines the argument?

D.The patients over 65 years old who did not benefit from the coronary bypass surgery were as fully informed as those who did benefit from the surgery as to the risks of the surgery prior to undergoing it.
E.The patients who underwent coronary bypass surgery but who did not benefit from it were medically indistinguishable, prior to their surgery, from the patients who did benefit.
Ans：E

我還是不太懂(D)錯在哪裡

(D)病人已經被告知手術的好處和風險，那要不要做手術就變成病人自己的選擇，而不是因為醫生想要練習或賺錢

[kotokolin]

(D)說那些未獲得冠狀繞道手術好處的病人 和那些有獲得好處的病人 一樣在手術前被充分告知手術的危險

醫生想要練習或賺錢，就算事先充分通知這些病人手術的危險性，
不管病人有沒有選擇接受手術，但還是無法weaken醫生想要練習或賺錢的論點吧

[tracer]

從另個角度來看，如果題幹的結論是，醫生想練習或賺錢，
那麼正確答案一定會多少提到/或和這個結論相關（否則無法weaken結論）

D的informed，或是說整句的主軸，是在指病人被告知
E的undistinguished ，則是從醫生的角度來看，說明醫生在手術前的狀態（想練習/賺錢，或是無法分辨）

若是選項和題幹的結論無關，或是和結論的grounding無關 (理由/假設/依據/調查...)，其實可以很容易的刪去，會省不少時間喔 ~~

[hwatai]

延伸想法：

這一題如果問assumption

答案應該是(E)選項的反駁，也就是：醫生在手術前，能夠分辨病人是否適合動手術

如果這一點想得通，回歸原題，(E)當然是一個weaken的選項

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複習後有新想法：

(E)比較基準相同→故反駁題目表達出的偏見/差異

[dibert8]

最後同意 (E) 啦!
重點在醫生,所以 (E).
(D) 講病人,搔不到癢處.
GMAT 每一題分配到的時間很短 (1.+ min),要在短時間內抓到重點.

[hwatai]

同意樓上
題幹在說醫生動刀的動機

沒有提到醫生的選項全刪
(A)~(D)秒殺

其實不是難題，都是自己嚇自己

[kai321]

同意樓上兩個大大，重點真的在於「醫生」還是「病人」？

答案只有E才講到醫生

如果要更加詳細D為什麼錯

就是 (D) cannot avoid the situation that doctors will have a bad motive.

[larry.tw]

GWD7-Q17:
Of patients over 65 years old who survived coronary bypass surgery—a procedure widely prescribed for people with heart disease—only 75 percent benefited from the surgery. Thus it appears that for one in four such patients, the doctors who advised them to undergo this surgery, with its attendant risks and expense, were more interested in an opportunity to practice their skills and in their fee than in helping the patient.

因果關係:(interest practice skill and fee -> advise)

B. Possible benefits of coronary bypass surgery include both relief from troubling symptoms and prolongation of life.

想請問B為啥不能weaken??
可能因為有這些benefit去建議病人,而不是為了練習skill和賺錢
感覺說的通阿??

麻煩各位了!!

[sleeplessboy[origen]]

B 照你的方法講是有weaken, 但你要想一下喔, 這是你只有考率四個當中的一個時才有, 如果你考率全部去做的人, weaken的程度就沒有那麼多了.
E,跟b比, E weaken 的程度 不管講一位 還是講四位, weaken的程度都差不多
這個樣子說聽起來很差, 但我想不出更好的方法.