GWD1-Q17

[QQcandy]

Q17:
The spacing of the four holes on a fragment of a bone flute excavated at a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale—the seven-note musical scale used in much of Western music since the Renaissance. Musicologists therefore hypothesize that the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years before it was adopted by Western musicians.

Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the hypothesis?

A. Bone flutes were probably the only musical instrument made by Neanderthals.

B. No musical instrument that is known to have used a diatomic scale is of an earlier date than the flute found at the Neanderthal campsite.

C. The flute was made from a cave-bear bone and the campsite at which the flute fragment was excavated was in a cave that also contained skeletal remains of cave bears.

D.Flutes are the simplest wind instrument that can be constructed to allow playing a diatonic scale.

E.The cave-bear leg bone used to make the Neanderthal flute would have been long enough to make a flute capable of playing a complete diatonic scale.

Can anyone tell me why the answer is "E" instead of "B" ? thanks.

[illuna]

妳答案有沒有對錯? :o

我這邊的答案是B

[QQcandy]

[游客]

I agree with Illuna
The answer is B :)

[QQcandy]

Hmm...this afternoon, I discussed with some ppl with this question. The final conclusion we all agreed is "B"

[Moloch]

這題答案...是e吧.... :o

b其實是無關選項...
我們來看...結論是說音階在幾百年前就被發明了並一直沿用至今...
那麼b所說的這個Neanderthal campsite是最早的發現又有什麼關係呢?
因為就算有更早的...仍符合結論所述the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years

來看看e選項...
e說骨頭夠長可以吹出一個完整的音階...的確加強了結論...
因為題目中說發現的骨頭只可以吹3-6音...那剩下的一個音呢??
但是別忘了總共有7音
所以e加強了論述...

看完了這題的結論是----要對音樂有相當素養的人才可以答對這題 :P
難怪我之前做也錯.... (H)

請指教...

[魚]

The spacing of the four holes on a fragment of a bone flute excavated at a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale—the seven-note musical scale used in much of Western music since the Renaissance. <此句為同位語 ,補充說明啥是the diatonic scale>Musicologists therefore hypothesize that the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years before it was adopted by Western musicians.

事實 : Neanderthal 時代的樂器跟現在的樂器在音階上有重疊性
假設 : (1)the diatonic musical scale 老早前就有啦 ~
(2)不是 Western musicians開 始滴

問支持: < b > 在 Neanderthal 人之前 沒有其他樂器用 diatonic musical scale

此選項 雖然設計的不佳 ,但還是有bit到 ==> 不是 Western musicians開 始滴

< e > 熊的腿骨夠長 , 拿來做個全階的樂器沒問題
(1)(2)兩個假設都沒有bit到

文章只說腿骨夠長喔,並沒有說Neanderthal 都在上面鑽七個洞喔
ETS 有交代,他沒說出來的話,不能成為呈堂証供 !
不要被ETS拐到了唷 ^^

Moloch ~
如果不是半夜回帖 ,魚很少乖乖 寫這麼多行喔...被你賺到了,去買大樂透吧

[Moloch]

挖!! 魚你太晚睡了...實在佩服...比我還夜貓子ㄟ :o

回歸正題....我還是選e
關於你所說的the seven-note musical scale used in much of Western music since the Renaissance. <此句為同位語 ,補充說明啥是the diatonic scale>
這裡我同意...
但是關鍵在 a complete musical scale 共有 seven notes

的確...如你所說...這裡ets有設置陷阱....
但我覺得陷阱是設在骨頭夠不夠長來吹七個音這裡

注意一下....題目說a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale...
顯而易見....此發現只可吹 3-6 note
但是往下看....馬上說完整的要有 7個note兩者間明顯有gap存在...
但是卻馬上下結論說Neanderthal就是起源....
所以我們必須選一個填補此gap的答案...
很明顯...e完全做到此點...因此選e囉

再來看看b好了...
b我又看了幾次....發現的確是無關選項...
原因就如同我上次所說的...
就算發現了更早的campsite....都不會對the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years這點有任何影響
因為重點是幾千年前發明....那就算有更早的...
也還是幾千年前啊...

其實b是很典型的迷惑選項....讓大家忍不住就選下去...
老實說我第一次錯時也選b...
但是看了一下....發現的確是無關選項...

魚你再試試看囉....看這樣有沒有幫助你釐清b的問題


多指教!!

說到大樂透....我本來昨天想要去買的....
槓龜五期勒耶....
結果又忘了....哀..... :'(

[魚]

挖!! 魚你太晚睡了...實在佩服...比我還夜貓子ㄟ :o

回歸正題....我還是選e
關於你所說的the seven-note musical scale used in much of Western music since the Renaissance. <此句為同位語 ,補充說明啥是the diatonic scale>
這裡我同意...
但是關鍵在 a complete musical scale 共有 seven notes

的確...如你所說...這裡ets有設置陷阱....
但我覺得陷阱是設在骨頭夠不夠長來吹七個音這裡

注意一下....題目說a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale...
顯而易見....此發現只可吹 3-6 note
但是往下看....馬上說完整的要有 7個note兩者間明顯有gap存在...
但是卻馬上下結論說Neanderthal就是起源....
所以我們必須選一個填補此gap的答案...
很明顯...e完全做到此點...因此選e囉

再來看看b好了...
b我又看了幾次....發現的確是無關選項...
原因就如同我上次所說的...
就算發現了更早的campsite....都不會對the diatonic musical scale was developed and used thousands of years這點有任何影響
因為重點是幾千年前發明....那就算有更早的...
也還是幾千年前啊...

其實b是很典型的迷惑選項....讓大家忍不住就選下去...
老實說我第一次錯時也選b...
但是看了一下....發現的確是無關選項...

魚你再試試看囉....看這樣有沒有幫助你釐清b的問題


多指教!!

說到大樂透....我本來昨天想要去買的....
槓龜五期勒耶....
結果又忘了....哀..... :'(

哇哈哈　∼　
我覺得自己住在艾希利亞星球．．．．我台灣時間下午３點才爬起來啦

Moloch， 我還是覺得不對勁,懷疑我的 也懷疑你的論點 ......
我會在想一想 ,腦袋空一下,再向你求教

我記得作過一道OG的 ,冰河/ 陸地以前有沒有人來過 那到題 --我去找出來比較一下 ^^

[魚]

的確...如你所說...這裡ets有設置陷阱....
但我覺得陷阱是設在骨頭夠不夠長來吹七個音

多指教!!

說到大樂透....我本來昨天想要去買的....
槓龜五期勒耶....
結果又忘了....哀..... :'(

HI Moloch :

又是我 !!

The spacing of the four holes on a fragment of a bone flute excavated at a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale—the seven-note musical scale used in much of Western music since the Renaissance.


經過了10天不眠不休的思索 ,我決定再度挑戰 :

the spacing of the four holes <---本魚 這次的論點 底ㄟ佳

這個不是骨頭長短的問題 , 而是 每一個洞每一個洞之間 ,鑿的位置
剛好與3-6 發出的 "絕對音" 一致

==>也就是說 她的 "音程" 是一樣滴

進一步說 (跟本題的考點無關了)

今天 就算 我另外找到一跟 短 骨頭 只有 3個洞 音程剛好是 123

我可以用兩根輪著吹 533 422 1234555 (不過醬好像很累...)

醬 我算不算 用 diatonic musical scale ? 應該算吧 ^^

[Behemoth]

說說我的想法....

我認為這邊關於diatonic musical scale 的定義是絕對的...

如果有學過音樂的人應該就知道...可惜我沒有..哀...

一個音階就是七個音所組成...這是題目的定義...

而這個定義也就不是我們做題者可以打破的了...

[Grace]

Moloch, you are not alone. I agree with you that B seems not
as relevant and direct as answer E.

My way of thinking is that answer E implies that the due to the length limit of cave-bears' legs, they were forced to think of other ways to substitute fully 7 notes for only 4 notes. They had known that it is required to have 7 notes--diatonic musical scale before wetern musicians adopted. ;)

[游客]

[quote="QQcandy"]Q17:
the seven-note musical scale used [size=18]in much of Western music since the Renaissance.quote]

I think Grace's explanation mab be correct.
In my opinion
This question foucus on note (E) and not on the time of intrument.(B)
According to the article, we know that the seven-note scale used not much before Renaissance.
However, E present the powerful evidence to support that the seven-note scale had used but not often before Renaissance.

That's really a typical ets bull-shit question. :-S

[flyfrog]

我覺得.........
題目是強調
在被西方接受之前,就已經發展數千年的事實
ACD是完全狗屁不通的 :P
B強調在尼安德塔人之前的某一時段
犯了邏輯"分化的大忌"
E則強化說時間長到已足夠發展完整音階

所以 E 比 B
一點小小的看法.......... :-$

[illuna]

挖哈哈 :D 魚我來給妳應援一下.....

今天我拿這題去問黃冠文老師....老師的解答如下....

老師覺得這題的考點在於：

(1)骨頭flute可以吹出diatonic scale(2)Neanderthal campsite找到的骨頭是數千年前的東西（題目並未說明）

又問題是問Which of the following, if true, most strongly supports the hypothesis?

老師說通常是用「事實」來支持推論的答案最好...因為語氣比較強....

接著我直接問老師B跟E哪個答案比較好....（老師很認真的看了好幾遍喔(FF)）

所以在這邊老師先跟我解釋答案E.The cave-bear leg bone used to make the Neanderthal flute would have been long enough to make a flute capable of playing a complete diatonic scale.比較不好的地方在於：

(1)因為用了would假設語氣(2)沒有提到數千年的時間關係(3)請看題目中The spacing of the four holes on a fragment of a bone flute excavated at a Neanderthal campsite is just what is required to play the third through sixth notes of the diatonic scale.......

這邊just副詞代表該骨頭flute四個洞的間隔正好（just）符合演奏diatonic scale所需要（require）第三個到第六個音的間隔...因此可以得到「該骨頭flute可以演奏diatonic scale」的推論.....（跟魚MM之前解釋的很類似）

答案B以現在式can說明了音樂家假設推論中的數千年.....

但是老師又講了答案D他覺得也不錯....不過後來他認為目前他的感覺是答案B最好....

當然大家如果上過黃老師的課就知道...他總是十分的客氣（講難聽一點會讓人感覺他對他自己的想法沒什麼信心似的）...總之我把老師的想法帶到...大家繼續討論唄..... ;)

報告完畢。