Financial Times MBA 2008 in US 與 MBA在US就業討論

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附上Financial Times 全球百full-time MBA 2008 在美國部分排行的資料
裡面很多有用的參考數據
請大家參考

PS：因為附加檔案功能一直失效
附上連結請大家自己去看囉
http://media.ft.com/cms/353a8bdc-c804-1 ... 9fd2ac.pdf

另外附上完整的全球100大MBA的資料
http://media.ft.com/cms/9fe070e6-ca70-1 ... b07658.pdf

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請問一下有沒有人知道哪裡可以找到
針對international students美國MBA畢業後的
薪資，留在美國在美國工作的比例
還有三個月內找到工作的比例

目前看到的數據都是整體的
但是整體數據不能真實反映出國際學生的部分

當然很多人會說就業有很多變因
不只跟學校，很多跟個人也有關
不過要是能夠知道多一些整體情況也是好的

[cburger]

A very rough estimate from Class of 2008 in USC:

Right now: about 50% of international students have already accepted offers Among them, 40 to 50% of the people accepted US offers. My educated guess is that eventually, the % of people who accept US offers will fall to around 30 to 35%

[班主任]

A very rough estimate from Class of 2008 in USC:

Right now: about 50% of international students have already accepted offers Among them, 40 to 50% of the people accepted US offers. My educated guess is that eventually, the % of people who accept US offers will fall to around 30 to 35%

請問一下cburger大大薪水大約多少
例如大概多少%薪水是XXX

[william700314]

Some even more significant questions for "local" MBA students=>

How many TW locals (never studied or worked in the western world) get offer in the states after their MBAs?
Where are these offers from?

Kindly provide some more info. Thank you.

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大推樓上

也希望有經驗的前輩說出一些實際狀況
不要只報喜不報憂
讓大家不要誤採雷區

畢竟兩年四到六百萬花下來
誰都會希望投資報酬率高一點吧

[cburger]

I am not at liberty to divulge personal information, but I can say:

1. If staying in US is your primary concern, and you have the mentality to squeeze every ounce of your energy on your career search and preparation, you will have a very good chance (I would say 80%) to get a decent job (at least if you are in USC). That being said, many students have different career goals. Not staying in US doesn't mean they have failed in their MBA education. A MBA graduate will typically stay in his/her first post-MBA job for only 2 years anyways, it's the education and preparation that you have for your CAREER that matters.

2. With that in mind, in Class of 2007, all local Taiwanese students whom I would categorize as having high US geographical preference wound up getting offers. time line, industry, method, and salary are all very different. For Class of 2008, we have one exemplary local Taiwanese student who I can say that, given the amount of efforts she put in in her career search and preparation in these two years, it's impossible for her not to get a job. She indeed successfully career switched to an US retailing company early in December. Her salary is also very competitive.

3. I am not a local Taiwanese student. I went to Vancouver, Canada for my high school and university education. I worked in Vancouver briefly, then went back to work in Taiwan in a local IT-system company for 3 years before coming to USC. I went to Sony Corp. in Japan for my internship, and I will return to Sony for a full-time position after graduation. My package is competitive with a similar US position.

4. Going to MBA is like buying a car. We might buy a BMW, Toyota, or a Ford. We may look nice in a BMW, decent in a Toyota, and bad in a Ford, but remember: we still need to learn to drive the car. When people ask for the "real situation," I feel like I'm being asked " I know Toyota is generally good quality, but how often do they crash"? Most of the time, it's not the car, it's our driving skill that make us crash or not.

[lpwpete]

4. Going to MBA is like buying a car. We might buy a BMW, Toyota, or a Ford. We may look nice in a BMW, decent in a Toyota, and bad in a Ford, but remember: we still need to learn to drive the car. When people ask for the "real situation," I feel like I'm being asked " I know Toyota is generally good quality, but how often do they crash"? Most of the time, it's not the car, it's our driving skill that make us crash or not.

It's a very excellent example. It all depends on you driving skill, that is, a BMW can crash in anytime and Toyota can drive for good.

Thanks for sharing!

[班主任]

thanks.

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I feel like I'm being asked " I know Toyota is generally good quality, but how often do they crash"? Most of the time, it's not the car, it's our driving skill that make us crash or not.

我想大大是誤會了
我問的不是how often do they crash
我問的是有沒有一些車(指MBA)是外型美觀但是有明顯瑕疵(像是想在美國找工作，學校根本忽略國際學生)，召回率很高(TW畢業生就算想在US找工作也辛苦而難成，幾乎該校畢業就沒有啥機會了)，或者是根本引擎就有問題(連個intern想在美國都幾乎沒機會)

說實話，USC因為排名不錯，地點也好，知名度夠，我想只要有心就該是有機會
我們好奇的是有沒有一些空有排名，但是實際上卻不是很管用；或者是一些排名也許不是很起眼，但是卻以能在美國找到工作為前提相當管用的MBA。
這種對正在決定選校的各位可說是極其珍貴的資訊啊

[maryfriend]

希望能有Purdue University--Krannert School of Management
主修MBA的學長姐快快出場分享經驗唄~~ ...期待ING...

[cburger]

I can't speak for other schools, but i can address some specific points:

(像是想在美國找工作，學校根本忽略國際學生)
Often it's not the schools that ignore international students, it's the companies that do. So don't expect that the career center will give much help beyond resume editing/mock interviews/english improvement. International students need to make the extra step themselves.

(TW畢業生就算想在US找工作也辛苦而難成，幾乎該校畢業就沒有啥機會了)
Finding a job in US is hard and difficult, regardless of schools. What's slightly different is that better reputed schools *might* open more doors for you. In the end, you still need to show them what you can contribute to the company.

(連個intern想在美國都幾乎沒機會)
With the US economy tanking right now, fewer and fewer companies are willing to go the extra mile to sponsor international students. My estimate is that for every 10 companies that go through our career center, 2, or at most 3 companies hire international students, and that only means international students have the *chance* to compete with everyone else. So is it difficult? yes. Is it impossible? no.

In the end, it's not the schools that get you a job. it's your own determination and abilities. I think various rankings will give you pretty good indicators about what each school can offer in terms of their resources. If you are looking only at employability in US, I would suggest 2 factors to looking into:

Reputation: (International -> Continental -> National -> Regional -> Local)
Access to Market: (International -> Continental -> National -> Regional -> Local)

For example, Harvard has a very well established reputation internationally, and their alumni/resource also extend internationally.
I would argue that USC has a International/Continental reputation (its name is well known in US, Pacific Rims, but not so in Europe), and a National/Regional access to market. You need to aim for schools that at least have regional reputation and regional access to market to have a decent chance.

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我相信目前正在選校的包括在下
都知道關於個人能力跟個人努力的重要
但是總是希望能夠多一點Hint
這樣對選校比較有實質的幫助
我也瞭解Harvard很好，但是小弟能力有限，目前是進不去了
可是也不想要再等個幾年

有些前輩PO的親身體驗資料真的非常非常的珍貴

像是來自U Pitt Katz MBA的第一手資訊

我是去年Katz畢業生，課程有好有壞先不說，但要提醒新生，Katz Career Service真是讓人嘆息，而且很喜歡搞一堆有的沒的浪費學生時間，例如那個一點用都沒有週五必修Career Service Workshop，什麼Career Analysis、還有模擬Interview...好像做了很多事，但問題是這些東西都是給沒工作經驗的新鮮人才有用，作過幾年事的一般水準MBA學生哪還要這BS。

而最關鍵的on-site recruiting卻少的可憐，就算有，很多根本直接排除國際學生，然後Katz Career Service就Don洗腦說，你們這些國際學生還是要回到你們原來國家比較有競爭力之類。心中OS:那林北還來美國唸書幹麼-_-\\\...

我個人認為這並非U Pitt或Katz學校不夠好，而是Katz Career Service太混，事實上U Pitt有一個給所有學生的Career Service，我來本也去登記，但U Pitt Career Service排除Katz，職員解釋說因為有適合的opening都已轉到Katz，但我用其他Pitt朋友帳號去U Pitt系統看過後，發現其實很多大公司直接跟Pitt Service接洽而非Katz Career Service，其中也很多適合MBA的opening。
......
聽說Katz Career Service換人做做看了，希望現在已經有點改變...唉。

以及像是來自USC MBA的第一手資訊

My estimate is that for every 10 companies that go through our career center, 2, or at most 3 companies hire international students, and that only means international students have the *chance* to compete with everyone else.

這種直接反應各校career center的資訊，沒有進去過根本就不會知道
我想這一類的就是對我現在正在選校抉擇中非常有用的東西
如同cburger大大所說，他不能替別的學校說明，但是他也提供了USC的狀況
所以我們希望聽到已經畢業的校友，或正要畢業目前在美國謀職的MBA前輩
能夠把這種自己體驗的第一手跟學校直接有關的經驗告訴大家
讓大家少走點冤枉路，或者是能替自己的夢想多一點點機會，那怕只有一點點也很好

[ccuturandot]

以下分析適用於 "原裝貨" (under 在台灣/大陸唸, graduate 才來美國唸的人)

的確, 來美國後 你真的會發覺, 你看到的跟在排行榜看到的情況不一樣, 真實狀況請自己多去詢問各校校友 ! 就我自己來看, 某些公司, 通常是大公司, 只會到特定的學校招募, 換句話說 你不在那些學校的名單上 基本上就比較沒機會....但...就算你在那些學校裡面 你首先要面對 (1) 自己學校學生激烈競爭, 通過第一輪面試 (2)無數次跟其他 學校的競爭對手面試 (3) 該公司裡面許多內部角力後 ...你才有機會拿到 offer ....

Career center 的話, 我聽過的都是抱怨多於稱讚...但是我們學校我自己是很滿意(雖然沒有直接幫我找到工作, 但是我們自己 program 的 career consultant 還有學校內部的資源 給我很多幫助) 總而言之, 大家都是靠自己, 但是 當手上可運用的資源很多, 相對來說, 一定比較輕鬆 ! 就是在比機會的啦! 機會多 命中的機率就高 !

當 campus recruiting 結束後找不到工作, 開始 independent job searching......."好學校的名稱" 會給你很多面試的"機會" .....會不會錄取, 這 還要取決於工作經驗,之前工作的內容, 以及簽證問題的考驗...(尤其去年大抽籤後...很多公司不願冒著國際學生抽不到H1B的風險...所以乾脆不 hire 了)...

敝校的大陸+台灣MBA在畢業前找到工作的, class 2006,2007 是100%(兩屆台灣畢業生有50%留在美國, 其他在亞洲各國)...都是在知名的大公司...但是 過程也是相當辛苦 ....這 找過的人都知道....我就讀的 program , 幾乎畢業四個月內都找到, 有的一開始是在 soso 的公司(也有不錯的公司), 拿到H1B, 累積經驗後, 第二年都跳到 google, UBS HK, GAP, NY-Times 了. 看看你一開始就想進大公司 or 先蹲後跳...回亞洲大公司 or 待美國普通的公司, 都是個人的決定...

要找到"一份工作" ... 我是覺得不難, 但是要找到"自己滿意"的工作...這 就是看造化摟(我想大家討論的"找工作", 都是指後者吧!...花大把 $ 來唸書...當然就是求ROI ! ); 當然 景氣好壞, 個人來唸書前的經歷都有差別摟....所以...不可一概而論

還有 個人最後體認...這都是命....經歷很漂亮 但是面試主管就是跟你不對盤
你要拿到 offer 也難.......當然 面試過程都講求客觀, 但是主觀因素還是不容小覷
畢竟, hire 一個能力很強,但 VP不喜歡, Associate, Analyst 都不喜歡的人進來, 大家都痛苦...

我想大大是誤會了
我問的不是how often do they crash
我問的是有沒有一些車(指MBA)是外型美觀但是有明顯瑕疵(像是想在美國找工作，學校根本忽略國際學生)，召回率很高(TW畢業生就算想在US找工作也辛苦而難成，幾乎該校畢業就沒有啥機會了)，或者是根本引擎就有問題(連個intern想在美國都幾乎沒機會)

說實話，USC因為排名不錯，地點也好，知名度夠，我想只要有心就該是有機會
我們好奇的是有沒有一些空有排名，但是實際上卻不是很管用；或者是一些排名也許不是很起眼，但是卻以能在美國找到工作為前提相當管用的MBA。
這種對正在決定選校的各位可說是極其珍貴的資訊啊

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以下分析適用於 "原裝貨" (under 在台灣/大陸唸, graduate 才來美國唸的人)
的確, 來美國後 你真的會發覺, 你看到的跟在排行榜看到的情況不一樣, 真實狀況請自己多去詢問各校校友 !

大感謝，就是因為現在需要這些資料
所以才呼籲已經有經驗的人將各自學校的情況還有自身的體驗告訴大家
讓大家在選校前就有個概念
不是單單看兩三種排行榜比來比去