請問AT成績

[vantreal]

well, my friend DID get to one of Top 15 biz schools.

and I am NOT taking your statement personally.
I am just wondering how can someone tells other people to SHUT UP since this is an open forum?

Even my professors from MIT and Yale never asked people to shut up.

anyways, good luck to 版主.
if you still think your AT score is not high enough,
just give another try ~

[vantreal]

我覺得樓主應該先考量自己本身的背景跟經驗，MBA每個學校都講求多元化，
當你的背景跟經驗越特殊，690絕對夠用，把時間拿來寫好essay比較重要。

但如果本身根本沒太多體驗，又可能有很多跟自己背景相同的競爭者時，如果一
定要在今年申請，建議再把GMAT考高，增加自己的優勢。

this is what i think as well.

3 of my univesity classmates go to MIT, 2 to Harvard, 1 to Yale.

some of them do not have a super high score on GRE/GMAT,
but they ALL have impressive essays and they DID extremely well in their interviews.

工作資歷漂亮的話, AT是其次.

[crossover45]

Look people, I am not saying that there is no chance. I think it's bad advice to say stay on the 690 and just apply and write good essays.

Given that it's August, I'd re-take and shoot higher.

If 690 is the best you can do, by all means apply.

關於這一點我支持Mark的說法，現在才八月，離大部分學校R1的deadline還很遠，如果有時間也有心力的話，還是應該盡量去試試看。

我自己去年申請的經驗是 我認識幾個700+的人連拿好幾家reject，我認識的人上TOP 15的都有700+，我沒有認識below 700拿到TOP15的人

所以建議樓主如果真的有時間的話 還是不要挑戰機率吧

畢竟申請的機會一年只有一次，如果明年此時你發現自己無法擠進dream school的原因之一是GMAT不夠高，admissions office選了另一個人，這樣的結果您能接受嗎？

從另一個角度來說，700+拿到獎學金的機率也相對高一點，為自己的荷包省點錢也是不錯，學費越來越貴了呢......

[Jason Lee]

我自己去年申請的經驗是 我認識幾個700+的人連拿好幾家reject，我認識的人上TOP 15的都有700+，我沒有認識below 700拿到TOP15的人

把自我的條件用的用好,當然申請上的機會也比較高
但說沒有自己認識的人在top 15的話,只能說自己的運氣不好,或是交友圈太小

做一下數據上的驗算,以U Penn來說
http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/mba/commun ... ssprofile/

2009申請的人有1,153,預計入學的人有800
GMAT Average 712
GMAT Range (middle 80%) 660-760

這就是說,起碼有10%的人GMAT沒有到660
申請的人GMAT不到660的有 1,153 * 10% = 115人
更保守估計,入學的人GMAT不到660的有 800*10% = 80人

以同樣的方式去推算所有top 15的人
以USNEWS裡面的top 15
Class of 08 and Class of 09加起來大概接近30,000人
同樣用10%來算,在top 15裡GMAT不到700的保守估計也因該有3,000人

如果說你都沒有朋友或是認識的人在那3,000人裡
只能說你週遭的朋友運氣都不是很好,都沒有申請上top 15的學校

[維尼]

Maybe start with taking a look at schools' statistics of gmat, say average, median, and range of 80%. Then you may GUESS whether your GMAT score may be a weakness while comparing to the WHOLE class. Notice that those figures include domestic and international students and international students USUALLY score higher. Moreover, I believe Taiwan applicants may be considered in the same pool. So you may ask current students from Taiwan about their GMAT RANGE. I think that will be helpful unless there is certain significant change of GMAT or of schools' recruiting strategies.

If you feel your GMAT score becomes a weakness, then you may start to think whether you are truly exceptional in other areas so that such a weakness can be ignored. If not, then retaking GMAT seems a better way. If yes and you are 100% sure, well, the question turns to whether you can ENJOY taking this risk and accept the final results regardless they are goo d or not... :)

[crossover45]

如果說你都沒有朋友或是認識的人在那3,000人裡
只能說你週遭的朋友運氣都不是很好,都沒有申請上top 15的學校

To Jason,
我想你誤會我的意思了，我指的是我所認識的台灣人。
如果你的3,000人 methodology母體是所有的TOP 15申請者，那麼跟我說的台灣率取者應該是different group。我不知道今年TOP15入學的台灣人有沒有below 700的，至少我身邊沒有。

[Adam Cheng]

From my perspective, 690 won't kick you out of the game but definitely not good enough to attract the attention from adcom.

But the question is: do you have anything elso in your application package to attract adcom's attention? If yes and you are not able to manage to retake it, then give it a try.

The other question is: why ppl from China/Taiwan in general need higher-than-average gmat score to get in? From my observation, due to our "conservative education system," most applicants don't have exciting stories and ppl instead are good at cracking gmat. If your goal is to get into top10 or so-called M7 schools, many of your competitors from other countries either come from big name firms or have unique stories. Don't forget, b-school need diverse student body. If you don't have impressive/unique stories, unfortunately gmat will become a more important indicator when adcom evaluate your application.

I do believe everyone here is 求好心切. We all want to see more and more Taiwanese applicants get into best b-schools. However, I also believe using appropriate words could be more encouraging to fellow applicants. Shut up is definitely not a courteous word and I have never seen any of my peers using this word in the group discussion at b-school.

Good luck to all the applicants this year. I might be one of the interviewers for Wharton this year and look forward to hearing your stories later.

[iamnotsure]

幾天沒來看沒想到有那麼多人回覆我~
謝謝大家!!
其實po完文章當天我就報名二戰了~畢竟還是有點不甘心~想再給自己一次機會
而且也沒有急著在今年之內申請學校~
考完還要去累積一下工作經驗
by the way現在690是在前百分之90%