GWD8-41

[hplin]

為了二戰準備
一個半月後重做到這一題 (已無記憶)
直接憑感覺作答 我還是選到D !? (連錯2次 MoBeBe說要罰寫50遍)

不過 看了 SELVICHY大 & MODERN 大 的分析

下次考試時若看到 the number is ....than ....the amount
就先排除

Therefor, I go for C this time

PS.樓上p大所謂 "that amount比the amount指代清楚 " 這是慣例嗎? 疑惑ing

[shine_allen]

可是我從沒看過,fewer than that amount的,
amount不是都應該是不可數,怎可以用fewer than,
og243那題他是說很多個amount,所以變成the amounts of...,
amount 是用來帶不可數的,暨是不可數哪能用fewer形容,
我是覺得d不是很好,但我認為c的錯誤更大,
天阿到底哪個對?天阿.................

[hahadog]

根據兩個月前的莫北北說法（老師的說法總是一再改變）
答案是C 但是喔
最後的amount要改成 figure所以說 又是題目錯了？

[shine_allen]

謝謝樓上的大大,
我也覺得題目錯了比較可能

[FannyHsieh]

雖然我就是選一般認為錯誤的D，但現在看下來，C與D我比較支持C......
我是以drive-ins為可數角度出發的
選項D怎麼看，the number與the amount比實在很怪啊:~~~

[Ace]

不好意思
關於此題大家還是莫衷一是
請問是否有最新共識 :D

[bonus]

amount當名詞時
是可數的
不是嗎???

[mimieye]

看完這題的討論
卻被 number / figure / amount 該用什麼修飾搞的一團亂
想要請教一下
像是
bigger
smaller
less
fewer
more
這些字分別修飾
number
figure
amount
的誰呢?
還是要根據前面的名詞單複數決定呢?
根據我的記憶
amount修飾是不可數名詞,所以要用less/more than the amount...,
number 和 figure是指數字的大小,
所以要用bigger/smaller than the number / figure of....
這樣對嗎?
那fewer呢? 是不是也可以修飾amount?
像是這題就是用fewer修飾amount耶
可不可以幫我開示一下,
感恩!

[keane0727]

支持B

amount雖然有時可跟可數名詞連用(ex. We didn't expect such a large amounts of people: Longman)，但這種用法是將名詞視為一體, 我覺得這題4,000已是很具體的數目(有很明顯的數數動作)，後面用amount指代4,000並不正確。ETS指可數之數時用number, 不可數之量時用amount；我認為不能為這題破例

CD大牛mindfree說fewer than不能跟as many as混用，但是B用的是as many 不是as many as；我認為不能混用的情況應該是 There are fewer than as many as 4000 drive-ins

"more/fewer than N times as many"的用法實例很多，如下：
Rapid industrialisation saw construction and manufacturing take root, though these days more than twice as many paulistanos work in services as in these sectors.
http://www.economist.com/cities/displayobject.cfm?obj_id=768334
In 2001, there were fewer than half as many air-quality warning days across the country as in 1988.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030929-488848,00.html
Cambridge上說as many可作代名詞
There are already twelve bottles of wine, so if I buy as many again (= another twelve bottles) we'll have enough. (Cambridge dictionary online)
因為as many可以當代詞所以B還原應該是 there are fewer than one-quarter of 4,000 drive-ins
我覺得像C這樣there are 後面只有數量的並不好
打個比方there are twice as many就比there are twice the number好吧

[mandy-lo]

GWD-8-Q41

我覺得這題其實也沒大家想的那麼複雜,

這裡套用大衛閱讀法,
中間逗號僅是次要結構的補述前面when那句的1950年的事情,若省略不看也不影響句意,

而原題句意是：在比較過去和今日的drive-ins(這個我將它理解為免下車的速食店)的多寡
也就是說整句是在講過去這種免下車的速食店相當多,但今日卻變少了→句意上明顯是在講drive-ins數量上的變化,

既然如此看到選項中有less就可快速刪掉了,因為less不是little的比較級,它只可用在不可數名詞的情況

所以只剩下B\C可以進入決選了
而B選後面的as many,一看到也刪了,因為句子中已經有fewer than了,那再用as many感覺上好像redundant!
B選中的as many 與fewer than一塊放在句子中在OG中是錯誤選項的常勝軍…
以下這題是OG89跟這題有點類似，也是there開頭
（ps.誰說there開頭就必錯啊！這題there開頭也對，所以句意為上！！！）

89. A recent national study of the public schools shows that there are now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many than there were four years ago.
(A) there are now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many than there were
(B) there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many than there were
(C) there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many as there were (microcomputers for pupils)
(D) every thirty-two pupils now have one micro­computer, four times as many than there were
(E) every thirty-two pupils now has one microcom­puter, four times as many as
Choices A, B, and C appropriately use the construction "one X for every thirty-two Y's" to describe the ratio of computers to pupils, but only C, the best answer, is error-free. In A, are does not agree with the subject, one microcomputer; furthermore, in A, B, and D, than is used where as is required. Choices D and E reorder and garble the "one X ..." construction, making four times as many refer illogically to pupils.
所以ANS－Ｃ選就脫穎而出．．．

至於大家一直在爭執的Ｄ選，我覺得錯在
１．Less than的用法就錯了
２．兩個逗號中間的句子也僅表示在同位語補述過去１９５０年的事情，
而句子的主詞明顯是drive-ins，Ｖ怎麼會是單數！
３．若說Ｄ的the number是指４０００人，我覺得是不是將句子誰是真正的主詞搞混了
句意上不是在比較過去和今日的drive-ins(這個我將它理解為免下車的速食店)的多寡，
後面but+S+V的Ｓ怎麼會變成在指這個位居次要結構的補述4000人！

[dibert8]

我第一次做這題選 (B) , 後來傾向 (C) . 看了 keane0727 的見解,覺得應該重新思考一下.

amount 幾乎都和不可數名詞連用
from Merriam-Webster
amount [noun]
1 a: the total number or quantity : aggregate b: the quantity at hand or under consideration <has an enormous amount of energy>
2: the whole effect, significance, or import
3: a principal sum and the interest on it
usage Number is regularly used with count nouns <a large number of mistakes> <any number of times> while amount is mainly used with mass nouns <annual amount of rainfall> <a substantial amount of money>. The use of amount with count nouns has been frequently criticized; it usually occurs when the number of things is thought of as a mass or collection <glad to furnish any amount of black pebbles — New Yorker> <a substantial amount of film offers — Lily Tomlin> or when money is involved <a substantial amount of loans — E. R. Black>.

4000 drive-ins 用 amount 似乎不太恰當. 四千家得來速是散佈在美國各地,是一家一家建立的,不是一開始就四千家,總不能說是一堆得來速?

many 可作代名詞.
from Merriam-Websters
many [pronoun]
a large number of persons or things <many are called>

twice 的用法
from Merriam-Websters
twice [adverb]
1 : on two occasions <twice absent>
2 : two times : in doubled quantity or degree <twice as much>

twice/one-quarter as much (much = 不可數名詞),那可數名詞的代名詞就是 many 囉!

He earns $4000 on the work.
His younger brother earns half as much (as he does).
= His younger brother earns half as much (as $4000).
= His younger brother earns half as much ; (much = $4000)

(B) = there are fewer than one-quarter as many (as there were)
= there are fewer than one-quarter as many (as 4000 drive-ins)
= there are fewer than one-quarter as many ; (many = 4000 drive-ins)

[jungle621]

這題前幾天莫老剛好有講解到,答案為A

1.amount與不可數名詞連用,主詞為複數(drive-ins) 消去CDE
2.one-quarter應為單數比較 消去BC (fewer than..)
(度量衡擔任主詞,動詞單數 ex:Ten dollars is too much for a pencil.)

[dibert8]

聽來有理喔!
試著整理一下:
(A) 分數比較用 less/more (e.g. OG10-Q101); one-quarter that many (one-quarter 用法同 double: pre-det.)
(B) 因為 fewer 用於可數名詞, one-quarter 作代名詞囉! one-quarter = 1/4*[some 4000 (drive-ins)]; as many 就多餘了
(C) amount 指不可數名詞 (number 指可數名詞)
(D) number, amount 比較不同類
(E) it 指代不清; 4000 = 4000 drive-ins (drive-ins =/= it)

[lucyyeh]

強記這種可數不可數的關係對中文當母語的人真痛苦

我剛剛搜尋一下AT數學題，看來less than的用法還蠻廣泛的，數字比率都可以
fewer than 還真的是用在＂實體可以一個個數的出來＂的名詞上

貼給大家參考

x is less than the average (arithmetic mean) of the first ten positive integers.

Is the slope of line n less than the slope of line p ?

The total cost, including a 6 percent sales tax, is less than $6.50 for 4 hamburgers.


The number of shares of the company's stock that John owns is 400 less than twice the number of shares of the company's stock that Mary owns.

Country A sent fewer than 12 representatives to the congress.

看數學題讓我對於less/fewer的用法茅塞頓開.....和大家分享一下

[dibert8]

less 表達連續的概念,所以平均,倍數,分數都用 less.